Huh? Classical music will not "clarify" the "language synapses" in your brain.
oso
· 5 years ago
I say invent language, don't stifle it. Listen to jazz and classical and hip hop. Read more, but more than just the classics. Learn about style, but create your own as well.
Andrew Phelps
· 5 years ago
oso,
By all means, invent language!
Stephen,
"Synapses" was originally "functions" -- sorry if that's awkward to you, but I stand by it. Studies have shown classical music to help with language, including my own self-observations.
Stephen
· 5 years ago
What studies have shown that classical music has anything to do with language development or acquisition? No offense, but your own non-scientific observations hardly qualify as compelling evidence.
Sean Voisen
· 5 years ago
Here's one for literacy:
Also, "chinaman" is not the proper nomenclature. Asian American, please.
I think I acquired my taste for the Big Lebowski the first time I saw it. That is a brilliant film.
Andrew Phelps
· 5 years ago
Stephen,
I don't really care if my suggestion to listen to classical music counts as compelling evidence. It works for me, so on a Web site about me, I will suggest that which I find personally valuable.
About the studies, try the Music & Science Information Computer Archive (MuSICA) to start.
The idea of music enhancing mental ability was popularized in the late 1990s by Gordon Shaw at UC Irvine. He conducted a study with college students that affirmed what media later coined the "Mozart Effect". His study has to do with visual-spatial/math ability -- but it brought a lot of interest to the field in general. His study is chiefly the reason for so many classical-music albums with names like "The IQ Builder".
Stephen
· 5 years ago
Obviously you may post whatever you want on your Web site. I had simply assumed you were interested in posting stuff that was true.
Has anyone ever reproduced Shaw's results? To the best of my knowledge, nobody else has found anything resembling the results he and his team claim. See Chabris (1999) and Steele (1999), "Prelude or requiem for the 'Mozart effect'?" Nature, 400: 826-828. (Two separate studies published together.)
All them CDs and programs and whatnot are basically a way to cash in on some pretty flaky science. Classical music is wonderful, but it doesn't seem likely that it will make you smarter. It may put you in a good mood, relax you, and make you more comfortable in studying, but it's almost certainly not going to reshape your brain to make you better at any sort of thinking.
And not even Shaw et al. claim that classical music does a thing for language acquisition.
Stephen
· 5 years ago
Also, holy shit dude, that Weinberger guy is crazy. I can't believe he spent that much time writing that much stuff all on the same subject. I'll rescind some of my earlier harshness because there's a wealth of information there I haven't processed, but it's important to note that EVERYTHING on MuSICA is written by one guy who self-published a non-reviewed journal.
It's pretty extensive, but I'm hugely skeptical of the fact that he makes such extensive claims (and indeed he makes the language claim) in such a bizarre forum. If that were an actual science journal, I'd feel a lot more confident of what Weinberger says. As it is I have to actually dig up his references to make sure he's accurately portraying them, and that will require no small expenditure of time.
Any good, peer-reviewed studies to link to?
Alex K
· 5 years ago
I think that I highly disagree with some of the words that you are suppose to say correctly. One is the One hundred five, not a hundred and five. Yea is correct but that just means that old men in suits decided that. If I refer to a friend as a dog, everyone knows what I mean but it's not in websters or anything. When you speak a language you have to allow some license for the language to change and modify and when talking with people langugage sounds diffrently then writing langugae. my site
Andrew Phelps
· 5 years ago
Stephen:
Of course I want to publish things that are true on my site. I meant that I will publish things that work for me that may or may not apply to others. Classical music stimulates my creativity. Have I proven this? No. But I observe it consistently.
About the language studies, I have not done extensive looking into. Have you come up with more in your searches?
Also, do you really think I look at those music CDs as an authority? Come on. I was simply explaining their popularity in recent years.
Alex:
Ah, yes, old men in suits did decide it was correct. But you're missing my angle. It was a post about style, hence the prelude about food, fashion, etc. I am merely talking about what sounds good, what sounds intelligent, what sounds educated. It's highly subjective, although it still has some loose guidelines -- just like food, fashion, etc. I don't think anyone would say "a hundred and five" is wrong. Most would even say it sounds fine.
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Huh? Classical music will not "clarify" the "language synapses" in your brain.
I say invent language, don't stifle it. Listen to jazz and classical and hip hop. Read more, but more than just the classics. Learn about style, but create your own as well.
oso,
By all means, invent language!
Stephen,
"Synapses" was originally "functions" -- sorry if that's awkward to you, but I stand by it. Studies have shown classical music to help with language, including my own self-observations.
What studies have shown that classical music has anything to do with language development or acquisition? No offense, but your own non-scientific observations hardly qualify as compelling evidence.
Here's one for literacy:
I think I acquired my taste for the Big Lebowski the first time I saw it. That is a brilliant film.
Stephen,
I don't really care if my suggestion to listen to classical music counts as compelling evidence. It works for me, so on a Web site about me, I will suggest that which I find personally valuable.
About the studies, try the Music & Science Information Computer Archive (MuSICA) to start.
The idea of music enhancing mental ability was popularized in the late 1990s by Gordon Shaw at UC Irvine. He conducted a study with college students that affirmed what media later coined the "Mozart Effect". His study has to do with visual-spatial/math ability -- but it brought a lot of interest to the field in general. His study is chiefly the reason for so many classical-music albums with names like "The IQ Builder".
Obviously you may post whatever you want on your Web site. I had simply assumed you were interested in posting stuff that was true.
Has anyone ever reproduced Shaw's results? To the best of my knowledge, nobody else has found anything resembling the results he and his team claim. See Chabris (1999) and Steele (1999), "Prelude or requiem for the 'Mozart effect'?" Nature, 400: 826-828. (Two separate studies published together.)
All them CDs and programs and whatnot are basically a way to cash in on some pretty flaky science. Classical music is wonderful, but it doesn't seem likely that it will make you smarter. It may put you in a good mood, relax you, and make you more comfortable in studying, but it's almost certainly not going to reshape your brain to make you better at any sort of thinking.
And not even Shaw et al. claim that classical music does a thing for language acquisition.
Also, holy shit dude, that Weinberger guy is crazy. I can't believe he spent that much time writing that much stuff all on the same subject. I'll rescind some of my earlier harshness because there's a wealth of information there I haven't processed, but it's important to note that EVERYTHING on MuSICA is written by one guy who self-published a non-reviewed journal.
It's pretty extensive, but I'm hugely skeptical of the fact that he makes such extensive claims (and indeed he makes the language claim) in such a bizarre forum. If that were an actual science journal, I'd feel a lot more confident of what Weinberger says. As it is I have to actually dig up his references to make sure he's accurately portraying them, and that will require no small expenditure of time.
Any good, peer-reviewed studies to link to?
I think that I highly disagree with some of the words that you are suppose to say correctly. One is the One hundred five, not a hundred and five. Yea is correct but that just means that old men in suits decided that. If I refer to a friend as a dog, everyone knows what I mean but it's not in websters or anything. When you speak a language you have to allow some license for the language to change and modify and when talking with people langugage sounds diffrently then writing langugae. my site
Stephen:
Of course I want to publish things that are true on my site. I meant that I will publish things that work for me that may or may not apply to others. Classical music stimulates my creativity. Have I proven this? No. But I observe it consistently.
About the language studies, I have not done extensive looking into. Have you come up with more in your searches?
Also, do you really think I look at those music CDs as an authority? Come on. I was simply explaining their popularity in recent years.
Alex:
Ah, yes, old men in suits did decide it was correct. But you're missing my angle. It was a post about style, hence the prelude about food, fashion, etc. I am merely talking about what sounds good, what sounds intelligent, what sounds educated. It's highly subjective, although it still has some loose guidelines -- just like food, fashion, etc. I don't think anyone would say "a hundred and five" is wrong. Most would even say it sounds fine.